(If you haven’t finished all three books, I’d recommend steering clear of this post. THERE BE MASSIVE SPOILERS AHEAD.)
I know you probably read the title of this post and were ready to hit me with the cruciatus curse, and you know what? It’s cool. I get it. But let me qualify the title. In terms of the scope and vastness of the Harry Potter books, nothing, in my mind, comes close. More specifically, as a YA book, I don’t think anything is in the same stratosphere. It’s no contest. But that doesn’t mean that other books or book series can’t do some things better and this is essentially the point I want to make.
I finished the 3rd book a few weeks ago and I needed some time to let it all sink in. Obviously, the 3rd book is a heavy one. It’s thick in both size and emotional density so when you finish it, you want to unbutton the pants on your brain and just sleep it off.
I’d gotten a lot of feedback about how the last book is the worst or it’s too dark or whatever so I was curious about how I would perceive it and I was a little surprised when I loved it.
While it is true that the tone shifts considerably (significantly from the first book and considerably from the second) this shift is completely necessary in order to serve the story. That may be off-putting to some, but the gradual shift is necessary to support where the story is taking us. It’s easy to forget this, just as it is easy to forget that the ritual of the Hunger Games is about child sacrifice and humiliation. Remember, Katniss and Co. are trying to take down a ruthless Capitol that has systematically oppressed, impoverished and murdered children, so things will get dark. They will get weird. And bad things will happen.
Below are the 3 ways I think The Hunger Games surpasses Harry Potter:
+ The realism
Part of the impact of The Hunger Games was how it provided a universe that was more real than Harry Potter, because it was more relatable. This made it seem more possible. Also, it was vivdly real in that most all the characters were presented not as heroic or non-heroic caricatures, but as complicated people with shifting motivations and propensities for unlikable behavior.
This is a departure from stories like Harry Potter where characters were largely either starkly good or starkly bad. The only truly iffy character was Snape who was defined by this singular trait of iffiness. In other words, it was the great exception in the story and because of that, it had no nuance. Extending this idea even further, Snape was the gray rook on a chess board full of white and black pieces.
But within The Hunger Games, the distinction of uber-villain didn’t really exist beyond President Snow.1 And this is to the story’s credit because the world isn’t full of Dumbledore’s and Voldemorts. It’s full of people like Haymitch and Gale.
+ Unfortunate but logical conclusions
When the last Potter book came out, JK Rowling discussed how she handled selecting who would die and who would live. She mentioned how when good and evil do battle, bad things have to happen and she was brilliantly right in this. Like I mentioned earlier, the third Hunger Games book is about overthrowing a Capitol with an entrenched power base who has made child sacrifice a yearly national celebration. Purging the world of a ruling base like this is going to be nasty, nasty business.
If you are dealing with those grand notions of ultimate good vs. ultimate evil, casualties have to occur, just as Rowling said. But I think the fandom and belovedness of the Potter books forced her into stopping short of truly embracing this ideal. It didn’t make the series bad or the last book bad. Both were great. They just didn’t stick the landing as well as The Hunger Games did.
+ The ending
Besides Finnick Odair, my favorite aspect of the series was the ending. Was it a happy ending? I don’t know. I feel like I could write thousands of words in support of either answer. But what’s true for both is this: There are elements of happy and sadness there and that’s probably the best way to go about it.
For the Potter books, the end is essentially a happy ending. True, some beloved characters were lost, just as there were in The Hunger Games but for me, the ending is all about the lasting effect on the core three of Ron / Hermione / Harry vs. Gale / Peeta / Katniss. The Potter 3 all survived and seemed to endure very little in the way of permanent damage. In fact, we’re allowed to see them in an epilogue. all as parents dropping off some future generation of benevolent wizards at Hogwarts – and it feels good to see this. We feel like they’ve earned it and it’s a great payoff for us.
But the Hunger Games 3 don’t get this kind of ending. They all survive and figure out how to carve out some degree of happiness for themselves but they are never able to outrun the trauma of opposing absolute evil like the Potter 3 did.
- Gale is a different person and his relationship with Katniss is forever altered because of the tactics he helped author during the rebellion and how his strategies played a role in Prim’s death. Peeta’s mental compromising never fully subsides and Katniss must cope with the trauma of a lifetime of tragedy and personal responsibility within those tragedies. In this sense, everything is bigger, bolder and deeper. It’s the difference between losing a finger or toe (Potter) vs losing an appendage (Hunger Games).
This is why I love the ending so much; when the stakes are made to be so great, the fallout and consequences have to be equally as great. When our soldiers are sent to war, they don’t come back perfect; they come back a little broken and I guess that’s the difference. The Hunger Games allows us to see those scars, while Harry Potter mostly obscures them.
What do you think? Is this comparison between the books real or unreal?
- You could argue that Peeta was the closest thing to a white knight that the series had, and while this is true, his goodness is mitigated by his brain-washing and how he tried to strangle Katniss. Obviously, it wasn’t really Peeta, but this detail served to complicate his character, even though it was a technicality. [↩]










Interesting thoughts, you are very right, the scene was so relatable in the Hunger Games, it was Fantasy but it had so many elements of reality to make you become part of the story. I also liked how the book ended, knowing that there are lifelong effects to this type of war they went through!
Have you seen the movie? I saw it on the weekend and would love to discuss it!
get out of my head, knox. i will be wearing a foil hat for the rest of the day so you stop stealing my thoughts.
I have not read Harry Potter. I know that makes me un-American. But I agree that the HG's realism was one reason I loved it. I liked that Katniss essentially had a nervous breakdown — b/c that's what would happen to someone who went through all of that! She wasn't some untouchable heroine who kept going unaffected. I also liked how we saw (which we didn't in the first movie) her thought process and confusion about Gale vs. Peeta. She was a confused teenager, and it took her awhile to figure out how she felt. And as her mind firmed up its conclusions, I also firmed up mine agreeing with her.
I truthfully believe her 'breakdown' to be quite an obnoxious distraction. Is she trying to tell us that when life sucks, go hide in a closet? Also, look at Beetee – he went through the same things Katniss did, and maybe even more (watching Wiress die), yet instead of falling into a deep depression he put his energies into the rebellion. Personally, I believe Katniss to be a weak, unbalanced, protagonist. In the first book she was painted as an incredibly strong young women with a hate for the Capitol and a desire to do what's best. Throughout Catching Fire she gradually grew more condescending, judgmental, and angry until Mockingjay when she became depressed, violent, and manipulative. She continually used both Peeta and Gale, toying with their affections to supposedly make her existence more 'bearable'. In the beginning she was all fired up for her cause until, at the climax of the war, she lost interest and began making reckless decisions for revenge (i.e.- continuing the mission in Mockingjay in order to kill Snow for his crimes, endangering everyone in her crew). I understand that each book is absorbed differently by each reader, but this was definitely my opinion.
I think that is a great way to put it, "This is why I love the ending so much; when the stakes are made to be so great, the fallout and consequences have to be equally as great." I like the analogy of the soldiers that go to war. So often we want our happy endings, and though we can find our way to happy, when horrific things happen around us, we have to find happiness where we are and learn to deal with and cope with the things that happened. This is one of the many reasons I love the Hunger Games.
Dangit, Knox. I didn't want to agree with you because I feel like I'm betraying Harry. But you make some valid points. However, I have to disagree that Rowling didn't stick the landing when it came to unfortunate but logical conclusions. She didn't have to kill off any of the three major characters to do that. Maybe I'm just too attached to fictional characters (don't judge), but I don't believe killing off main characters is the only way for a book to be great, or that Harry Potter would have been better if any of the three main characters would have died.
I could go on and on and on about both of these series, but I'll stop here.
ha, i totally disagree. though this is fiction and every reader is subjective so i can just say what I thought about the ending to Mockingjay.
it's a story about a girl who gives up hope, and doesn't learn how to love anyone. Katniss did her best, but reading about her brought out the worst in humanity during war, not the best. perhaps this was Collin's purpose? During Catching Fire, Katniss' one objective was to keep Peeta alive. But then in Mockingjay, when Peeta clashes with her new objective of assassinating Snow, she thinks about killing Peeta or leaving him on his own. Katniss also voted that The Hunger Games would continue on in the next generation. She might have said that in order to stage her next killing, but they never rectified it in the later chapters so I can't understand why she voted that without trying to undo it. Also, if this is a book about anti-violence and anti-war, why did Katniss finish the story by another assassination, even though she didn't know all the facts? Also, she allows Peeta to love her in the end, but that's it. She shows no self-sacrifice as Harry Potter did, because she didn't love or befriend anyone like Harry Potter did. Harry Potter was about saving his friends, Katniss was about getting revenge. I feel like this was a harsh and nihilistic attempt at speaking against child sacrifice, exhibitionism, and violence, but it lacked the love and hope that Harry Potter so beautifully contained.
So that's how Mockingjay left me. It didn't lead to productive thoughts on anti-violence or exhibitionism, especially since the detailed explanations of violence within its pages are exhibitionist in and of itself. I think The Hunger Games is a better version of Twilight, but Katniss has just as much self-evaluation skills as Bella did. Just because you take out love and hope and loyalty from a story, doesn't make it "realistic."
Even in poverty stricken and war torn areas, people love and have hope.
All that said, I loooove the movie. It showed everything that I liked about the first book and nothing that I didn't. So good!!
Good stuff. But I disagree with YOUR disaggreance. Just kidding. You are totally right. It hits everyone differently depending on who they are, where they are etc.
I think for me, HP became a little too fluffy. I related more to Katniss because I think that’s more how I would have been. Not some larger than life redemptive figure, but someone who essentially was a cog in the mechanism for change. Maybe that’s the difference. Harry was ordained by a prophecy to be the one so he never had to question himself, where as Katniss had to constantly consider, “Am I up for this?”
The doubt, the conflict, the shifting emotions of Katniss are all things I identified with more than the self-assuredness of the gang in HP.
Doesn’t make it the rift perception though.
That's cause Harry Didn't have help. He's Parents died yes and he lived with His horried Uncle,aunt and cousin. Okay Harry is stronger that Katniss because Harry could of give up when Cedric died or Sirius died no he fought and fought and won. Did Katniss died no Harry died and come back to life so who's better Harry is because he's smarter and Stronger so what do you have to say.
What Ellie said.
You would.
I cannot read this post yet, because I still have 50 pages to go in book 2 of Hunger Games. But unless you are joking about HG being better than HP, or unless book 3 of HG has Lando Calrissian, I'm not buying it.
Omg the hunger games is better the Harry Potter. ha ha you have to be kiding Does it have a musical,game,did it create a world no. harry potter did and it has a lot of games and 2 musicals. Harry Potter will always be the best so here's the list of the greatest books.
1# Harry Potter of course
2#Twilight Is the best not in my opinion but it is.
3#Last is the hunger games
I've had this post sitting in my queue for a couple of weeks now because I wanted to drop a comment.
I think you're spot on with this assessment. I've only read the first Hunger Games book, but it definitely felt more real than the world of Harry Potter, although it would be awesome to have attended Hogwarts as a kid.
Hunger Games was gritty and provided characters the reader can more completely identify with than the seemingly typical archetypes portrayed in Harry Potter.
I have to say I disagree with you. Personally, I found the Hunger Games incredibly unrealistic. I mean, the government was murdering children to pacify its citizens? Yes, I understand that the Capitol was much better equipped than the districts, but you do really think someone would at least speak out about that injustice. But no, for 74 years the world keeps quiet. Also, this was quite the unfair comparison as it sounds as if you spent much more time pondering the Hunger Games than Harry Potter. I definitely didn't get the feeling that all the characters in Harry Potter were black and white, there were just more people who actually cared about one cause or another. Take Sirius Black for example: he was reckless, insensitive, and immature–all bad characteristics, even if he was on the 'good side'. Also, there were characters that so strongly believed in fighting against darkness that it led them to too extreme measures (Barty Crouch, Dolores Umbridge); if they were anti-Voldemort were they good? For another example look at Xenophilus Lovegood. He betrayed Harry, Hermione, and Ron in the Deathly Hallows in order to get his daughter back. Are his motives considered good enough? Or should he have let Luna die? That's just the thing Potter fans have to think about– the fact that it's IMPOSSIBLE to classify someone as thoroughly good or bad because everyone makes mistakes (yes, even Dumbledore).
Next, I didn't feel as if J.K. Rowling was fearful of killing off characters; she let Dumbledore, Sirius, Cedric, Lupin, and Tonks go, just to name a few. In the Hunger Games the only people you had known for more than a book that died were Prim and Finnick, yet we virtually nothing was told to us about both.
Lastly, even I didn't like the epilogue in Harry Potter, but I definitely believed it to be better than the Hunger Games. In the Hunger Games Katniss agrees to the thing she had fought to stop, killed someone on a guess, and went home still depressed until she finally allowed herself to love Peeta. I sort of thought that she was a horrible person, and began to hate her before I was even half-way through the first book. Also, Gale just disappears– I mean COME ON. Suzanne Collins spent pages describing the Capitol food or Katniss' dress and she doesn't even tell us what the HECK Gale is doing. Because even if a lot of people didn't like him, some backround information on important stuff would have been appreciated.
Okay, thanks for letting me rant
I agree hunger games is way better i think your views of why are right mainly i think is due to the fact that harry potter is written in third person i mean yh you can hear his thought on specific things ie 'i hate cheese' harry thought, whereas in the hunger games we are actually in katnis' head and can hear every thought just as we hear our own so that is i think the main reason love the hunger games and although the ending was fitting im sad to see it finish.
No it's not Harry Potter has created a world. I have zero clue why people are obsessed with Harry Potter i understand. The Hunger Games is a great book series. Harry potter is world,fandom . Nothing can come to it so leave as that Harry potter is better the Hunger Games in a million ways so Harry Potter is the Best and The Hunger Games is okay.
I loved the first hunger games book I thought it was great and entertaing…but that was it. It didn't stay with me in the end. Theyre wasnt exactley much to it. I felt like the whole story was just leading to the end, like a storyboard going along scene by scene. The trilogy lacked the subplots of HP. I didn't feel like I was wondering along in the wood with katniss, I felt like she was telling me about it. Suzanne Collins obviously does not believe the writing philosophy of showing not telling my writing teachers having been muttering since second grade. Harry potter is jigsaw puzzle slowly coming together.the series followed a continuem while each hunger games book felt a new story. In my opinion Harry Potter has tales of love sorrow pain and joy intertwined within its chapters while the hunger game feels only skin deep.
I couldn’t agree with you more, as a 13 year old, the hunger games books are the first books that made me feel the characters emotions. I wept in parts of each books, I just could never put the goddamn book down. This kept me up till 3 in the morning and for that I am tiered. (obviously) also the hunger games movies stays along the same path of the books, and keeps the message the book has. While the Harry potter books are
I couldn’t agree with you more, as a 13 year old, the hunger games books are the first books that made me feel the characters emotions. I wept in parts of each books, I just could never put the goddamn book down. This kept me up till 3 in the morning and for that I am tiered. (obviously) also the hunger games movies stays along the same path of the books, and keeps the message the book has. While the Harry potter books are ok, the movie failed to ever live up to thier standards. Pretty much this whole post is true. Thanks Suzanne collins for such an amazing book.